James Blain: 0:26

Hello everybody and welcome back to another issue episode of the Ground Translation Podcast. Now I am joined by my wonderful, buff, awesome, amazing host, Ken. Anything financial?

Ken Lucci: 0:40

Don't have those PECS anymore

James Blain: 0:42

no. You need the P man. I, I know they're still there. So

Ken Lucci: 0:46

ship has sailed

James Blain: 0:47

I will say I am absolutely blessed. Ken is the financial genius that we have on the show. I get to be the safety side of the show, and I gotta tell you guys, I just, I have the time of my life every Friday, but today we have a very special guest with us, Ken. We have the man behind the scenes that makes us look good. that brings you the episodes that makes all of it happen, so that we can just show up, talk for an hour, have fun, and then make everything and look good and look good, and then it all becomes this poor man's problem. Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to introduce to you, John, you doing buddy?

John Tyreman: 1:25

James, thank you so much for that introduction and um, yeah, this has been a fun ride on the Ground Transportation podcast. I know all of the Easter eggs and where all the bodies are buried, so

Ken Lucci: 1:36

Listen and, and listen. I mean, you're telling me we're up to almost 80,000 YouTube shorts. That's fantastic. And I think this is gonna be a great episode for that'cause we've got a bunch of video.

James Blain: 1:47

so John, I thought it'd be great if today you got to introduce the episode. Obviously we do that every episode. Um, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, this is a surprise. I'm just kind of tossing this on John, but producing podcasts for a living. I know he is gonna knock outta the park. John, what are you gonna have us doing today?

John Tyreman: 2:04

Yeah. So this is gonna be, um, the spirit of this episode is chaos and responding to chaos and how you deal with chaos. Ken, you've talked a few times recently on some of your presentations in earlier episodes about the chaos factor, specifically coming out of Washington dc but we don't need to get into that on this episode. but chaos doesn't just happen in government. Chaos happens every day out on the streets. And, um, I think there was an episode earlier where, you guys were talking about proactivity and how proactivity can help you handle scenarios. So what we're gonna be doing today, gentlemen, is I have curated a half a dozen, maybe a little bit more videos that I would love to get your reaction to. Then if you want to talk about, maybe James, how this may have been prevented from like a training perspective, or Ken, what are the financial implications of this, or how could you have been proactive to kind of maybe foreseen or factored in that chaos factor?

James Blain: 3:11

so train with Pax and have your financials ready. We're gonna start that there. I'm pretty sure anything you can show us would benefit from that.

Ken Lucci: 3:19

Absolutely. You know, the other thing I'll tell you, and this is a, a saying coming up in a campaign that we have, have coming out is buyers don't buy chaos. They don't buy your chaos. They don't want your chaos. All right, let's this, this sounds good. By the way, this really dovetails into the fact that I've become obsessed online with watching police chases.

John Tyreman: 3:41

Oh,

James Blain: 3:41

geez. Oh geez.

Ken Lucci: 3:42

yeah. That pit maneuver gets you every time. All right, let's go.

James Blain: 3:46

let's go. Let's see what we got, John.

John Tyreman: 3:49

so there's a few of these videos that, um, courtesy of Revit up. Uh, I believe this is a dash cam. and, uh, this is from a compilation of near misses and bad drivers. And this is something that happens all the time. Everyone's experienced it. Anyone who's ever driven has experienced it. When an ambulance comes through an intersection, you have a green light, but you have an obligation to stop and let that ambulance come through. So I wanna play this clip and I wanna get both of yours reaction to what happens.

James Blain: 4:22

All right, let's go.

Ken Lucci: 4:23

Okay.

James Blain: 4:26

Whoa.

Ken Lucci: 4:29

What?

James Blain: 4:29

So, all right, so, so for everybody, so, so let's, let's try and bring that back. So, so for our listeners who are not watching this, right, so we've got a dash cam we're coming up on, you know, to a green light. You've got an ambulance coming in from the right. it looks like the car with the dash cams in the left. I totally thought this was gonna be the near miss. And then you see a minivan blast through the intersection and I think we just got rear ended with the car we're in, right?

John Tyreman: 4:58

And then here's the cabin cam, and for those that are watching on YouTube, you'll be, be able to see this. So there's the ambulance stop

James Blain: 5:07

Yeah. So you got, you got like this, this is beyond chaotic. Okay. So, so we've got, we're in the left lane in the vehicle that our camera's in. He stops at the green light. clearly, and, and what's interesting is he's in a really tough spot because in the right lane I see that minivan that shot by. So if he would've, I mean, either way, if he would've tried to get over to the right, that minivan's probably gonna hit him and then behind him. Now the other thing, John, how far back does this go? Can you pull us back to like where this clip truly starts? So, so let me start by saying this is a stale green light. All right? So we're, yeah. So we're already, and I'm in like full trainer mode here. So, so we'll give you play by play. So this already to me, as a three lanes stale green light for me, I'm foot over the brake. Now the other thing is, and I talk about this all the time, when You are covering the brake, when you know you're gonna have to stop when you've got anything there, I am always looking at the rear view mirror. Now in this scenario. It, it really looks like there wasn't,

John Tyreman: 6:15

You can't tell.

James Blain: 6:16

no. Well, well, but there's a couple things that don't make sense. We're in, it's a three lane intersection and we're in the far left lane, but we're not going to a turning lane, right? So we're in the quick lane, and I don't have any kind of context or anything for that. We saw that, you know, we have the ambulance coming in, and then you've got someone that clearly, by the way, distracted driving. Number one problem in America, number one problem in the world. When we get to that light, what I thought was gonna happen is I thought the ambulance was gonna hit that minivan that ran through the fact that you've got someone coming, literally just driving right through the intersection, almost getting T-boned by that ambulance. The one thing I will say is hats off to the ambulance driver, right? Like, I know we're worried about our car, but that ambulance driver, instead of just blasting through and assuming the intersection was clear, he must have been proactively looking ahead.'cause you see him slow down when he gets to the intersection before he goes through it. So I, I think this is about as chaotic as it gets. I mean, there's a lot of things that could have been done better, but I think definitely looking behind us because the one thing I saw is this guy had open lanes on either side. He wasn't ideally set up, but if he would've hit either one of those lanes and just gone left or right, that other person would've gone to the intersection. They might've collided with the ambulance, but that means him and his passengers wouldn't have been in the accident.

Ken Lucci: 7:41

Okay, well that tells me two things. Well, let's just back up one step. As a private driver with no one in the car, a private individual may say, I'm going to speed up to try to make that green light, which puts you right in the path of the

James Blain: 7:57

yeah.

John Tyreman: 7:58

Yeah,

Ken Lucci: 7:58

Okay, so as a professional driver, whether it's a coach or you are a chauffeur in an SUV, situational awareness tells You always know what's at your 12 year, six, you're, uh, I'm sorry, your 12 year, three, six and your nine. But if you are coming, coming towards an intersection, don't speed up to hit that green light.

James Blain: 8:24

No, no. You wanna do the opposite. You want to cover the break, right? Because there's, it's way more likely that that light is gonna turn yellow to red.

John Tyreman: 8:33

Stale green light.

James Blain: 8:34

Yep. And the other thing, Ken, you're nailing something really important here because you talk about, you know, nobody in the car. You gotta practice like you play. So it, this is wild. Like, I, I couldn't believe this, but, uh, I was actually learning about what happened with police. And when police would train to take a gun from an assailant, like they'd, they'd have someone hold a pistol aimed at them, and then they would train to grab the pistol from'em, and then they would immediately hand it back to the person they were training with. That actually stopped Because a police officer disarmed an assailant pointing a gun at him and then handed back the gun

Ken Lucci: 9:11

Because that's where the

James Blain: 9:12

that's what he trained to do. It just, it was instinct.

Ken Lucci: 9:16

look, their muscle memory. You know, back in the day when I won the Dancing with the Stars con contest, let's not go down that road. It was

James Blain: 9:25

Pull the video.

Ken Lucci: 9:26

mu it was pulled a video. It was all about muscle memory. It's online, by the way. She was gorgeous. Oh my God. Anyway, but it, it, it, that actually taught me about muscle memory because I don't know if you realize this, I'm not one hell of an athlete and I don't really have athletics in my

James Blain: 9:42

Oh, come on, PEX,

Ken Lucci: 9:44

I know. Really. I know, I know. But, but, but muscle memory is incredibly powerful and it either works for you or against you. To your point, people say all the time, what do you, well, I, you know, I haven't been in an accident in a long time. I'm a really good driver

James Blain: 10:03

Yeah.

Ken Lucci: 10:03

a terrible driver, and I have, I have not been in an accident a long time, but in this case, my inclination as a private driver with no patience is to try to speed up and get through

James Blain: 10:15

Try to make the light.

Ken Lucci: 10:16

What's the right thing to do in that case, and how can you try and prevent the rear end being rear-ended?

James Blain: 11:06

So, so a couple things, right? And this, look, I, I'm in New York once a quarter, if not more. And I gotta tell you, anytime I'm on the break, it doesn't matter if I'm in New York and I bring up New York,'cause the traffic, there's really bad look, the first thing I'm doing is when I'm slowing down, I'm looking in the rear view because I cannot tell you how many times people are on their phone, they're not paying attention, they're distracted. But the other piece of this is we have this concept called a point of no return. And so at a certain point, and this is important here because John, you've got the video teed up for us. Um, I don't know if we can slow the speed down, um, but as you are coming up to this intersection, a couple things can happen. One, that light might turn yellow, the point of no return basically says if that light turns yellow, I've lost the ability to stop safely and I have to go through now. Being that we train in the passenger industry, right? I've got beyond my safety concern. I have the extra space that I'm leaving for Pastor Comfort because just because there's chaos around me, it's my job to create peace of mind and have a bubble of safety and calm for that Pastor. I don't care if you're on a bus, I don't care if you're an EMT, I don't care if you're a chauffeur, whatever. So at a certain point, right? And the smaller the vehicle, the closer it's gonna be. You've gotta decide when you're going through. Now, even at this point, if we're actively listening, we're actively looking. You can already see he's got plenty of room to safely and calmly stop. Um, it's hard to tell from a dash cam footage. It looks like he does that. This.

John Tyreman: 12:46

Yeah.

James Blain: 12:46

My opinion is multiple distracted drivers. You have the one that shoots through and almost causes a T-bone directly in front of the ambulance and the one directly behind him that just runs into him. And so I think what happened here. And we talk about 360 degree driving. You know, you called it, you know, watching the clock, right?

Ken Lucci: 13:09

Situational situational awareness

James Blain: 13:11

awareness. This guy forgot his six, right? And I, and I say it like that'cause my dad was a pilot and they always. say, watch your six. Right? So he, he lost the back. And so by not by he, he had the citral weightness upfront. You have a, a really, a distraction upfront for him of, he's probably focused on the ambulance. He forgot that he had the person behind him. And this happens the other way around too. When you're pulling over to the side of the road, when you're trying to get off the side of the road, you've, you've gotta be careful because, I hate to say it, it's the same reason we tell people to be careful when you slam on the horn.'cause you might have someone coming over to the lane into you, right? They're getting right to cross into you and you slam on the horn trying to get them to pay attention. And the dingling freaks out and slams into you. Instead of

John Tyreman: 14:00

they overcorrect in the other way and go off into a ditch.

James Blain: 14:03

Oh Yeah. No, uh, please tell me you have a video of that. Right,

John Tyreman: 14:08

Well, I've

James Blain: 14:08

because that one

John Tyreman: 14:09

more, plenty more.

Ken Lucci: 14:10

a couple things. If, if, again, don't change your driving habits from when no one's in the car to.

James Blain: 14:18

Practice like you play. Yep.

Ken Lucci: 14:20

Right.

James Blain: 14:21

like you

Ken Lucci: 14:21

like you play, you, you lose points as a professional driver for making your passenger lurch forward for running a yellow light. They will use that against you. They will say, this guy made me feel unsafe. Okay.

James Blain: 14:37

And they might not even notice it, Ken, right? Like everybody knows how to drive a car. They might, they might've just said, man, I just wasn't comfortable. They might not be able to identify it was the dumb driving stuff you were doing because they're just sub subconsciously feeling it, noticing it.

Ken Lucci: 14:54

Do you believe in the premise that you should, you should treat every passenger like they're the driving instructor critiquing you.

James Blain: 15:00

No, I, I don't think that's the right way to approach. Here's, here's

John Tyreman: 15:04

one of the guests said, drive, like there's champagne in the car. And that always stuck to

Ken Lucci: 15:08

Oh, I, love that. Like they were champagne glasses, like a tower

John Tyreman: 15:12

A tiered champagne

James Blain: 15:14

all right, so, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna show my age because the current generation couldn't handle this when I. was learning how to drive, right? I was 16 years old. I'm learning on like a Buick LeSabre. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The sixties.

Ken Lucci: 15:25

gonna, I was gonna say Chevy,

James Blain: 15:27

I, I age, I was about to say I age really well when I learned to drive my first model T. Um, so, so what I was told was you have to, and this was one of my first driving lessons, there was two rules. One, right? And, and by the way, dad had been stationed in Germany, so he'd driven on the auto bond growing up. When he was stationed there, he said, look, there's a rule. the, faster you drive, the smoother you have to be. You can drive as fast as you want, as long as you're smooth. And he said, two, when you're learning how to drive smoothly, I want you to pretend that you and I kid you not. I had, he had no idea I was gonna be in the business. Maybe this is why I ended up in the show for side first, but he said, look, I want you to pretend you've been hired by Hugh Hefner. Him and the girls are all in the, back drinking champagne. If they don't spill a single drop, when they get back to Hugh Hefner's mansion, you get to go inside of the party. If they spill a single drop, you don't

Ken Lucci: 16:20

yeah, for the youngsters in the audience that have no idea who Hugh Hefner is, he was the king of the world, but he was the king of the world back in the day. He was the founder of Playboy and lived like a sultan. All right, let's go next video. Tee it up.

John Tyreman: 16:35

All right. This, this one's gonna be a fun one or maybe not. Um, uh, not

James Blain: 16:42

see train tracks, so it's already gonna be brutal.

John Tyreman: 16:45

all railroad crossings are equal, and the contour of the road to the tracks is very important, especially regarding the size of your vehicle and the length of your vehicle.

James Blain: 16:57

we are talking about railroad crossing grade by, by that

Ken Lucci: 17:00

Dude, I, and I don't even, like, I'm looking at the, the title of this amazing Limo versus Train Crash, Elkhart County that hits a little bit too close to home.

James Blain: 17:09

and I, I don't even know what's going on yet, right? But for those that are watching at home, we've got train tracks. I can see, I can't see any road yet. I see what appears to be a little dude flailing his arms. Now the irony is on the other side of the screen, you've got like your two flashing lights and pole, and I can see the blue, by the way, who, if you don't know this, make sure you learn this. There's a little blue sign on every single railway crossing called an ENS. It's an emergency notification system sign. And this guy looks like he's filling his arms. And the irony is, I could see the ENS sign where he could have called the train's dispatcher and had him hit the brakes three miles ago. But, but, we'll, we'll, we'll see how that foreshadowing plays into what I don't know is about to happen. Let's go.

John Tyreman: 17:52

So you're telling me that this may have been prevented? Okay.

James Blain: 17:56

yeah, no, that's, that's most of these

Ken Lucci: 17:57

By the way, you guys are convincing me that we should be doing like a real video show all of the time, but that's okay. We're doing a good job Narrating.

John Tyreman: 18:05

if you're listening to this on, on Apple or Spotify, definitely check out the YouTube version. All right, here we go. Here comes,

James Blain: 18:13

the paint

Screenshare: 18:13

not gonna stop. It's not gonna stop.

James Blain: 18:15

Oh. what do It can't stop. It's a mile long. Oh. 300 go

Ken Lucci: 18:23

Oh, for those of you at home, it was a Chrysler 300 straddling the railroad crossing, um, as if it was going, whether it stalled or something. And the Chrysler 300 looks like a 10 pack, literally is being dragged now.

James Blain: 18:39

It's about A mile down.

John Tyreman: 18:41

about a mile down.

James Blain: 18:42

Yeah. Look, I'm counting train cars and the guy is just like, he's running down the road with the camera trying to get it right. And this is recent, well, I say recent, it's 10 years ago.

Ken Lucci: 18:53

Okay, so let me ask you a stupid question. If you do stall out in an unsafe area, what are you supposed to do?

James Blain: 19:02

Okay, so,

Ken Lucci: 19:03

years since I,

James Blain: 19:04

so, so a couple things. I. I think, and, and by the way, we did not, like John is surprising us. We haven't seen these. I just, anytime I can see a blue ENS sign and there's a train and it's gonna be an accident, I just think to myself, dear God, there

John Tyreman: 19:18

you picked that up'cause I had no idea.

James Blain: 19:20

yeah. So there's a law in the United

Ken Lucci: 19:22

Do you know why, John? Because you,'cause you're not a

James Blain: 19:24

cause you're not a safety guy. Like, look, I'm the safety guy for a living. I gotta, I gotta earn somehow. So, no, well, but we train on this so, All railroad crossings are gonna have a couple things. One, there's going to be, if there's more than one track, you will see a designation of a number because there's another video that, um, it's, it's pretty old now, but a train is going by and the train, like right as the, the caboose of the train comes by, two cops try to go around the back of it, and a train comes the other way and hits'em, right? Because it was a dual railroad crossing and there was a train coming the other way. And because of the timing, so, railroad tracks are required by federal law, right? Uh, you, you start getting into the, the railroad administration, all that. But they're required by federal law to denote how many train tracks there are. And by law, every single one is gonna have a blue and white sign. And we call that an ENS sign emergency notification system. There is a phone number and there is an identifier, just like a license plate on every single railroad crossing the United States. The problem with these guys is he's not gonna stop, bro. That's like saying like the plane didn't hit the runway and stop within two inches. Like the same thing with a train. This thing's a mile long.

John Tyreman: 20:36

This is the blue sign you're talking about right here.

James Blain: 20:38

Yeah. so you can see, the ENS here, that they should have

Ken Lucci: 20:41

the first thing is, I, I, I, this is all in all seriousness. If you, God forbid, get stalled out on a railroad crossing, you look for the blue sign,

James Blain: 20:51

call asap.

Ken Lucci: 20:53

is, which is on the pole where the flashing lights are, and call even before you know, on both sides, even before you know whether a train is coming or not. You make the phone call as if one is coming.

James Blain: 21:05

Correct. So, so, and, and you know, step one, evacuate. So if, if it's stalled on the track, stuck on the track, even step one, evacuate the people because like this train man, you get a train rolling down the track like that, they don't always have to hit the horn. You're not always gonna hear'em coming. Step one, evacuate the vehicle. Step two, immediately. Call that number because here's the thing, they, you're gonna call the number and you're gonna say, Hey, you know, there's a stalled vehicle, or there's a down tree, or there's a down power line, or there's some kind of unsafe situation, right? I am at Railroad Crossing. And you're gonna give them that identifier. That's basically like if you called someone and said, Hey. I'm on the corner of these two cross streets and I need police here. Immediately what they're gonna do is you're calling, just like we have dispatchers, they have their dispatchers, they're gonna call and they're gonna get a hold of every single train heading that way. And they're gonna say, Hey, this track is shut down. That train can now immediately start slowing down. A train can be a mile long, but it can take up to a full mile to come to a complete stop. And you cannot win. Like you're nothing like rock, paper, scissors, thi this is like the ultimate rock paper, scissors train, right? Like I got the train, I win, you lose, there's no winning anything they hit, they're going through. So that would've been avoided just by calling it in. And the other thing is, look, if you think there's any reason to believe you'll be high centered. A lot of times they'll have signs warning you. But if you're, if you have

Ken Lucci: 22:39

What's that mean? High

James Blain: 22:40

High centered? is exactly what happened. So he went up that hill and it's a longer vehicle, and when he gets to the top of the hill, the front wheels dropped down. And it's kinda like, imagine that you've got the seesaw on the playground and your car or, or your truck or your bus or whatever becomes the seesaw. The wheels are up off the ground

Ken Lucci: 23:00

It bottomed. It

James Blain: 23:01

to get up. They bottomed out is another great way to say that. If you have any reason at all to believe you're gonna bottom out, don't cross those tracks.

Ken Lucci: 23:10

Yeah. And, and you know what, when you think about the days of the stretches, they're not the only ones that could bottom out, but that's the closest one.

James Blain: 23:19

Well, and, and we see it. We see it with Motor coaches you see it with semi-truck. The other thing, and this is absurdly important,

Ken Lucci: 23:27

Oh yeah. Motor coaches, no question.

James Blain: 23:29

yeah, So there's a couple things I wanna say here. Just'cause everybody needs to know it. If you're, if you're PACS trained, you got this. If you're not, free information. This is something everybody needs to know. Two things. One, you should never be stopped on the tracks. If you are at a, if your entire vehicle does not fit on the other side, don't go, like, don't try to cross, don't try to go over. You never are stopped on the tracks, especially if you're at a place with the light. The other thing is people think if the gates come down, they're trapped. Those gates are, are, they're, I don't know if they're fiberglass or what they are, but what I do know for sure is they're designed to be knocked over. So if you're stuck on the tracks and the gate, like let's say you, you screwed up, you stopped on the tracks, the gates closed, buddy. Throw it into drive and break the gate because they're designed to break away so that you can get back off the track.

John Tyreman: 25:25

It's easier to replace a broken gate than it is to

James Blain: 25:28

Screw the gate, right? Like,

Ken Lucci: 25:30

Screw the gate. Damage the car.

James Blain: 25:32

Damage the car, get the hell off the track. And here's the thing, like I've seen so many videos that people have sent me where they're like, the gate closed on'em. I'm like, buddy, it ain't jail. Right? This, this is, this is not like the stuff they got at the White House where the thing comes up and there's spikes. It's designed to be broken so you can get off of it.

Ken Lucci: 25:50

You know, the, the other piece of the puzzle I want you to comment before we get into this video, but what happens if your vehicle is broken down and you've not managed to be able to put it on the side of the road in a safe place? I mean, that's gotta be nerve wracking.

James Blain: 26:07

So, so you're just saying like, you know, I'm driving down the road and all of a sudden the vehicle just dies and breaks down.

Ken Lucci: 26:13

Yeah.

James Blain: 26:14

So that gets really tough because it's really situational. Now I'm gonna, answer that one with another story. So, there's a, there's a guy who, his vehicle breaks down and he decides he's gonna get out and push. He's got his wife in the passenger seat. He's got his two kids in the back. this is, is something really important because it illustrates a lot of different bad things that all came together. You've got a motor coach driver who is hands free, right? They're not holding their phone up. They're hands free on the phone, if I remember correctly. and they're talking about like what they're gonna do when they get off work. Now, big props to the company. They had a no phone zone policy, right? Like that, drivers break the rules. She shouldn't have been on the phone. she's distracted. Cognitive distraction, right? Hands are on the wheel, but mentally she's distracted thinking about what she's gonna do when she gets off work. she's heading towards an off ramp. It's dark. She doesn't see the guy. She crashes into the back of that suburban kills that father. His kids are in the car, his wife's in the car. there's a photo of a shoe that gets shot up onto the top of the bus. It rolls down the roof of the bus and there's a picture of it sitting on the back of the bus that lives in my head personally as one of the warnings of, just'cause it's legal doesn't mean it's okay. so I bring that up because if you decide I'm gonna get out and push one, distract a driver, is anything going on there? Two, you've got the fact that just a simple distraction is enough to do it. So in that situation, a lot of it is going to depend on what you can safely do in the situation. if I've got passengers in the vehicle. so one hazards, right? Let people know. depending on if it's safe and you have triangles, you should be putting out triangles, right? And, and a lot of this is tough because you've gotta figure out when it's safe enough to try and do this. like I said, very first thing, hit the hazards, right? No brainer. But then I'm, concerned about how do I safely get that passenger off that roadway. depending on the situation, there's no single right answer other than to, you've got to try and let other drivers know. If you've got triangles, you gotta put'em out. And then you've gotta determine what is the safest place for passengers or whatnot. If you think a car is breaking down, if it's acting funny, if it's, buckling or you're like, man, this, this thing's not gonna make it. A lot of times it's safer to pull it over to the side of the road and call it in then to let it break down there.

Ken Lucci: 28:43

Let's get back to situational awareness. If a, if an idiot light comes on the dashboard, your first inclination should be to migrate to the right hand side. Okay? Thinking of the

James Blain: 28:55

Get to a safe place

Ken Lucci: 28:57

get to a safe place. hundred percent. A hundred percent.

James Blain: 29:00

and let other people know what you're doing. Right. The one of the other things that, that we teach, um, especially for motor coast drivers, is let's say I'm in the center lane and like this car is like sputtering. I'm like, oh crap, I gotta get over. If I hit the hazards right then and there, I just disabled my turn signals. So you have no idea what I'm doing. So it makes a lot more sense. If I'm in that center lane and I've gotta cross that right lane to get to the shoulder or wherever I need to go, I'm going to use my turn signals. And until I'm at the point where I need to let other drivers know, Hey, I'm disabled, I'm over here. Then I can hit the hazards. But if I hit the hazards in that center lane and now I'm trying to get over my turn signals don't work anymore, you don't know what I'm doing. So there's a lot of things that you don't necessarily think and, and this is practice like you play, you've gotta kind of think ahead as much as you can.

Ken Lucci: 29:50

Absolutely. And try not to. Right? And, and, when I went to the Federal Law Enforcement Institute thinking someday I grow, and become taller, so I could

James Blain: 30:00

you'd look so good with a mustache.

Ken Lucci: 30:02

I know. and one of the things that they trained us was don't get hemmed in. Meaning, leave yourself plenty of space around so that, again, situational awareness. Don't get trapped. If I'm a motor coach driver, even if it's bumper to bumper, I'm gonna try to leave myself plenty of space, any driver, leave myself plenty of space to be able to maneuver. The, the other thing I, think is difficult to understand is the degree of responsibility we have as a driver of other human beings

James Blain: 30:36

Oh, you're taking people's lives in your hands.

Ken Lucci: 30:39

We are. and when I hear people say, well, we, we, you know, we can't compete with Uber. Yeah, you can. And there's a hundred ways to Differentiate your company from Uber. And the number one way is safety. So I need to tee up this photo because John and I were on a pre. pre-call yesterday and we talked about this, episode, and I need to shout out to, Barry Trab from Complete Fleet

James Blain: 31:02

Barry.

Ken Lucci: 31:04

Barry, first of all, does a great job, right? Very so responsive. I don't know why anybody would buy from a consumer car dealer, a commercial vehicle. This guy just goes

James Blain: 31:16

desperation is

Ken Lucci: 31:17

right, right. Oh, I can save money. Bullshit. You can't save money. Barry's Barry's deals are unreal. But this is an S 90 Volvo and I am a huge fan of the Volvo, and this is, a post he made on Complete Fleet live sales. September 23rd, 10:00 AM the S 90 saves my clients' lives. Talk about a scary situation. Recently, one of our valued clients experienced a terrified incident on the New Jersey Turnpike. Go figure at

James Blain: 31:47

Uh,

Ken Lucci: 31:48

AM. Volvo S 90 sedan was rear ended by a drunk driver going over 100 miles per hour. While the clients missed their flight to Aruba, both passengers in the chauffeur walked away totally unharmed. From a hundred mile an hour rear end clients shared The car saved my passengers and the chauffeur's life. The car withstood the impact, which is exactly what it was designed to do. Therefore, we are proud to stand behind the Volvo. S 90 once again proved what it's built for. The world's safest cars looked at the damaged photo. I am shocked anybody survived.

James Blain: 32:33

Well, and, and so it's really hard'cause I don't have any other photos, but it looks like to a certain extent this driver might have been able to somewhat get outta the way. And I will also preface this with,

Ken Lucci: 32:45

Uh, to your point, to your point, explain it because you've got.

James Blain: 32:48

All the windows are blown out.

Ken Lucci: 32:50

Right. Significant damage on the, on the left hand side or the driver's side.

James Blain: 32:55

yeah, it's the rear driver's side. The bumper's hit there.

Ken Lucci: 32:58

Correct. So this guy, this driver was taking, it looks to me like he was taking evasive action as best as he

James Blain: 33:04

It, it looks like he was, it, it was either a little bit of luck or getting outta the way. One of the things, you know, I, I travel a lot, New Jersey, New York, that kind of part of the country, there is this problem with like, hot rod type drivers,

Ken Lucci: 33:19

Aggressive.

James Blain: 33:20

it's not even Aggressive. It's like, it's like fast in the furious level crap. Like, It is. yeah. So I was, I'll give a great example. I, I was driving to see a client, just north of New York City and there was a, probably, I wanna say it was an X three and maybe a five series BMW that were. Doing at least 120 weaving in and out of traffic, right. And just blasting through. And unfortunately, I see that almost every time I go to that part of the country.

Ken Lucci: 33:54

I agree with that. It's, it's either the motorcycles racing or it's two idiots in what they consider to be sports cars. And they're racing. They're racing in midday traffic or even

James Blain: 34:06

and it's, and it's, like, look, I, hopefully, I, I. don't get pulled over and accosted by the police out there, but it's amazing to me because it, it either one of a couple things is happening. There's either so much of it that they can't keep up or these guys have figured out how to game the system and not get caught. Or they're just rich enough, they don't care. They pay the fines. But what, what kind of happens is, and, and we, we've talked about this on the first one, a lot of this comes down to situational awareness. it's so, and look, even, especially if you're tired, if you've been traveling, if you work multiple jobs, any kind of, you know, you're tired, you're drained. One of the first things that tends to go for us is the situational awareness. and, and there's really a spectrum because you have, I'm at top peak performance, I've got enough sleep, I'm exactly where I need to be. That's when it's hardest for stuff like this to sneak up on us. As that spectrum starts shifting towards, I'm not at my peak now, you stop scanning as much, you're not as aware of what's going around you as much. it's easier to sneak up on someone when they're tired if that ever switches to, and this has nothing to do with this driver other than the drunk guy, right? But as you start switching to fatigue, fatigue is now where you're in your drowsy driving, you're in kind of your red zone, you're, you start to have micro sleeps, you start to fall asleep at the wheel. That's when you start getting tunnel vision where your brain physically takes. Your field of vision and it becomes kind of that tunnel. And at that point it's not even sneak up on you, it's you could have a car on either side and and your toast. Now, one of the things that I really like, and that's really good when you're doing training with people to help build situational awareness. And it's something that, again, I got really lucky when I was trained how to drive, when I was taught how to drive. My dad was a Cobra attack helicopter pilot, right? I mean, you wanna talk about precision. these guys, like they have to fly next to each other. And he grew up applying that same level of precision to his driving, Right, And so for me, he would use tricks that he would use to train pilots, to train me how to drive. And it's something that I've brought forward and that we've helped integrate into packs, right. But one of those big things for them, situational awareness. And so he'd ask me questions like, Hey, is there a car on the right? Yes or no? What color is it? What's, what kind of car is it? Right? And so I have found that, when you start, whether you're developing it in yourself or you're developing it in your trainees, when you start to ask those kinds of questions, the first times you're asking that, that's tough, right? Then it becomes easier. you even see that on the, you know, if you take the CDL exam, they're gonna ask you, what's the speed limit here? You know, what was on that last sign? Um, a lot of this is situational awareness. And so, especially in places like that where you've got drivers coming up at really high speed, it's hard. To be, completely and totally, hey, you know, there's no fault. Hey, they could have prevented it. The best you can do is try to have your situational awareness up and to be looking as far as reasonable. And the other thing is in those areas, this is why I get so frustrated and I mentioned it on the first one, right? I get frustrated with people lingering in the far left lane. If you're lingering in the fast lane, if you're lingering in the middle, right? Slower traffic keep right? You've still gotta flow with traffic. But I don't ever want to be the guy that's in the fast lane.'cause I think I'm trying to maintain my bubble. And here comes Johnny Drunkard doing 150 mile an hour in his new Beamer and plowing. And there's a lot of consideration. There's a lot of having to be aware. There's a lot of also understanding and knowing, I know that when I'm on the East coast, when I'm up in New York, that's a problem

Ken Lucci: 38:02

Worst drivers in the world between New York and Boston. It's a race. you made me think of a few things. Number one, number one. It's imperative as far as being a professional driver, the use of technology, one of the things that distracts drivers is constantly getting called by dispatch or text by dispatch. Leave the chauffer alone. Leave the driver alone. Okay? Use your technology to know where that vehicle is, and it's not the constant phone calls or text messaging, because that is huge. The second thing is when we were trained, when I was trained as a, as as a protective driver, it would be rotate or develop a pattern of looking in your

James Blain: 38:48

Do you get your scanning pattern?

Ken Lucci: 38:50

your scanning pattern, left hand mirror in front of you, your rear to the right. I personally look at the left, look in front, look in the rear, look in front. Look to the right, look in front, the most vulnerable you are is your six. There's no question about it. But a professional driver, one of the things the chauffeur industry has over Uber and Lyft is those Uber and Lyft drivers, or specifically the Uber drivers will drive 1216 hours a day to make a good living. Okay? And in our case, we won't allow it. The chauffeur industry, the common practice is absolutely no. But in CDL, it's against the law.

James Blain: 39:35

10 hours. 10 hours on the pastor

Ken Lucci: 39:38

There you go. Okay. So what do we got here, John?

John Tyreman: 39:42

Well, you know, James, I, I gotta say I'm super impressed. I thought I would, I could throw you a curve ball with one of these, but you've been knocking'em out of the park. All

Ken Lucci: 39:50

Listen, the man lives safety.

James Blain: 39:53

you, you have me. You have me in my element. This

Ken Lucci: 39:56

His wife refuses to drive the car if he's in the car,

John Tyreman: 40:01

we got PEX training and PAX training here. Let's go. So,

Ken Lucci: 40:05

Go ahead.

John Tyreman: 40:06

all right. So, um, let's see if we can, uh, throw you off with this one, James. all right. So in the spirit of complete chaos, I'm not going to give you Any idea of what's coming.

James Blain: 40:20

All right? So, hold on. so let, let's tee it up for the viewers. So we're on a highway at night. There's, we're, yeah, we appear to be in the center lane,

Ken Lucci: 40:29

30 yards from the company car in front of

James Blain: 40:31

Yep. 30 yards. There's no car directly in the lane in front of us, but 30 yards forward, like Ken said, in the right lane there is what appears to be either a coop or a sedan. and then we've got a bunch of signs coming up, so there must be a bunch of exits.

Ken Lucci: 40:45

but that's the only car in our front path, in our 12. That's the only car that's there.

John Tyreman: 40:50

Or is

James Blain: 40:51

I take that back. there. is, there is another car directly up, probably the same distance from us to the first vehicle. That same distance from him up there is a, a car in the center. And then it? looks like we've got some oncoming traffic or some really bright lights up. there.

John Tyreman: 41:07

Yep. So this is nine o'clock on a Sunday. This is actually only about a month ago. So here we

James Blain: 41:12

Okay. Let's go. boys. we've got a car coming the wrong

Ken Lucci: 41:20

Oh, wrong way. Driver

John Tyreman: 41:23

Wrong way, driver.

James Blain: 41:25

Yep.

Ken Lucci: 41:26

see that coming.

John Tyreman: 41:27

So, uh, what happens in that scenario?

James Blain: 41:31

Oh,

John Tyreman: 41:32

for something like that?

James Blain: 41:33

okay. So, so a couple things. One, I'm surprised this guy did nothing, or this gal did nothing.

John Tyreman: 41:39

of, in the

James Blain: 41:40

No, no, no, no, the dash cam, right. Our dash cam driver was basically a passenger at this point, right? Because they did not change lanes. Um, I, I wasn't watching the speed, but I see their speeds at 52 miles an hour, and we're on a highway, which should be a 65. I don't know. They, they might've reduced speed, but obviously not a ton. Now here's what's interesting is.

Ken Lucci: 42:03

back. Go back. Let's look at

James Blain: 42:04

The, yeah, this, this driver appears to be coming down the right hand shoulder. And, and I could tell very quickly'cause you had the bright light. Now my thing is, if I know what side of the road this person's on, and I've got three empty lanes, I'm going to try to get to the opposite side of the road from them because, um, and John, what if you'll play it forward for a second and then just

John Tyreman: 42:33

So we're going 75.

James Blain: 42:35

and pause it real quick. All Right So at this point. For those of you that can't see the guy up in front, the far guy up in front the the wrong way. Driver just passed him. He's still hitting the brakes. He's in shock. He doesn't know what just happened. The guy directly in front of us and to the right has the one-way driver coming. Now, it's really hard for me to tell because there's a lot of glare from the headlights, but he's either in the same lane as that guy or he's off to the right. Now. It's funny because. Uh, my, my son plays hockey. I play hockey. I coach the kids and we tell'em that you. want time and space in hockey. It's a very fast game. There's a lot of movement. A lot of that translates over to how you want to think about driving. You want time and you want space, and they're darn near interchangeable. Between the two. Now I know that all of this action's gonna happen on the right, if there's an impact, if that one-way driver coming towards us impacts that vehicle, you better believe that those vehicles are gonna spin out. If I'm staying in this lane and they're in the lane to the right of me, I'm going directly into what is most likely going to be allotted debris. So one, I'm already, if, if this is me, I am slowing down and I'm moving to that left lane. Now, we talked earlier about situational awareness. You need to know if there's someone next to you, but I can tell you here, just from the appearance of it, unless the guy next to us has his headlights turned off, there's no headlights in that left lane. So,

Ken Lucci: 44:05

Okay. So, alright, so this is something that you've got someone coming down the road in the wrong way. What do you do when you have a passenger in the car? Do you alert the passenger to say brace? Or do you just play it Mr. Smooth and try to do the evasive on your own?

James Blain: 44:23

Okay, so a couple things. So when we're breaking, we have three components to breaking, right? Because one, you have to actually see, right? You have to see and have that moment of, Hey, I see that I am going to have to break. That's your perception time. Then your next step in braking is going to be your reaction time. How quick can I get my fat foot off the gas and onto the brake? I apply the brake. Then you actually have the mechanical time it's going to take for the vehicle to stop. So if I'm going, yeah, Mr. Jones, I'd like to let you know we're in an emergency now. Sorry. My number one job is to main, and not only that, I've got my bubble. Now, the good thing that this driver's doing right is he's in a bubble. He's not up on the guy in front of him. he's got time, he's slowing out, and he's got time and space. So I'm moving to that left lane. I'm slowing down. I'm getting ready to react, right? Because if I can avoid the problem from happening altogether, that's where I want to be. I want to be at the point where the guy in the back maybe looks up and goes. Was there an accident up ahead? Uh, yes. Mr. Jones. Not to worry, we've got plenty of room. I'm still gonna get you there safe and on time. We're gonna get around or hey, You know, I'd, I'd like to, do you, have your phone? Do you, mind calling in 9 1 1? Whatever that might be, right? Like look, an emergency is an emergency. I'm one of those few people that every time I come up on an accident, I pick up the phone and I call nine one one to the point where I'm now trained to calmly report things to 9 1 1

Ken Lucci: 45:59

well, you, you,

John Tyreman: 46:00

And that keeps the passengers calm. If you remain calm, everyone else remains

James Blain: 46:04

Correct?

Ken Lucci: 46:04

And you know, something, you just hit upon something where, keeping calm, keeping calm is probably the most important thing. You can show the passenger that you're in control. know, I was in a chauffeur car about six months ago in New York, and, we had a close call with a pedestrian and the, I don't wanna say typical New Yorker, but he literally went off on the guy 30 seconds before he went through the crosswalk. This dumb ass is gonna go through the crosswalk. All right, then how about if you take action on your own? Yeah. And he, he cursed the guy out when I was in the backseat and, and

James Blain: 46:46

Did you tip him more because of that?

Ken Lucci: 46:48

no, no. no. but I did tell my client, I'm like, look, at the end of the day, okay, I don't want to feel more anxious. By being in the back of that car. I wanna know that this guy, excuse me, Mr. Lucci, we're gonna move over this guy's a little bit. This guy's not paying attention.

James Blain: 47:07

Now John, if we're gonna have a real bad one, let me know and we can address this. But I think the other thing that we train and we talk about is, God forbid something happens, there's a couple things you need to know. One, there is this misnomer that people think that just because there's an accident, it was reported to 9 1 1. Okay? And, and if you see people at the scene and they're on their phone and whatnot, I get it. But look, I've, I've seen accidents happen. And the second that I know I'm in a safe place, I'm in control, I can pull over, you know, I, I'm gonna call in nine one one and, and depending on the situation, right? You, you might be out there, you might be the only one there. It, it does make sense to say, Hey, Mr. Lucci, there's been a horrible accident. I, I, I wanna check and make sure they're okay. You know, th those types of things, it's all situation by situation. But one of the places where people get in trouble is if you're in an accident and you get to an accident and you're like, oh, I'm gonna do CPR on this guy, and you've never been trained in CPR and you break the 80 year old's rib and you puncture his lung, you did much more harm than you did. Good. So, to a certain extent, it's okay. Remain calm. Call nine one. Report the accident, be helpful. I'm at this mile marker. This is what happened. You know, this is what's going on. if you are trained in first aid, don't go above your training unless you're directed to by the first responders. I think a lot of this sounds like common sense, but thinking about this beforehand makes all the difference when something happens.

Ken Lucci: 48:36

right. Let's look at this one.

John Tyreman: 48:38

All right. So

James Blain: 48:39

We're,

John Tyreman: 48:39

through a lot of

James Blain: 48:40

driving a limo through a cornfield.

John Tyreman: 48:42

we, we've gone through a lot of really crazy scenarios, and so we're gonna, we're gonna have a little bit of fun now. so this was taken right in, uh, Kansas City, right

James Blain: 48:51

Oh Lord. Oh Lord. Yeah. I, I might, I might actually know this cornfield, right? Yeah.

Ken Lucci: 48:57

that Po. Duck Town.

John Tyreman: 48:58

you know what, I, I think I might have just wanted to share this one with you guys, so I, I just wanna get your reaction to this. So here we've got what appears to be a stretch limo in a cornfield.

James Blain: 49:08

that, that looks like what? That looks like a Lincoln Navigator stretch from here.

John Tyreman: 49:12

let's see what happens.

James Blain: 49:14

yeah. All right. So we got a cornfield. He is driving with the rose through the cornfield full bore, like 60 miles an hour. Uh, yeah. No, it

Ken Lucci: 49:27

Okay. First of

James Blain: 49:28

So that's,

Ken Lucci: 49:29

the stage. that's, a private, that's a, that's a private owner of a stretched Ford truck. It's not, there's no way that that guy's a live operative, but that's

James Blain: 49:40

No, no. And, and so ironically enough like this, Ken's gonna gimme so much crap for this. Let's talk safety here. Now, if you are driving through a cornfield, one of the things they warn you about living here in Kansas City is that if you drive through cornfield at any speed, you are driving through blind. So if there is a rock, a pond, a fence, an anything, a deer, you are going to hit it full speed.'cause you're basically driving through blind. And that's, they actually will tell you, like with the corn fields and whatnot, if you have to go through a cornfield, you have to go. through really slowly because you've literally had people drive into lakes, cliffs, each other, trucks, you name it. So safety moment there, even in the cornfield

Ken Lucci: 50:26

Okay. This is gonna be a good one. Tee this up. it says, worst limo driver in the world. Okay.

John Tyreman: 50:33

yeah, so we we're taking submissions for, uh, uh, the, the best limo driver in the world, right? Chauffeur of the year. But this will be the kind of opposite of that. This is an example of the

James Blain: 50:44

I, is that a folding table? It looks like you have like some kind of back of a, of a stretch or, or maybe even a cutaway with like a folding table in

John Tyreman: 50:54

You're spot on, James. So we are eating dinner sitting down at the table in the back of the limousine.

James Blain: 51:01

On, on a folding table?

John Tyreman: 51:02

drive, like there's a tear of champagne glasses in the car. Well,

James Blain: 51:06

Yeah.

John Tyreman: 51:06

Driver took it literally.

James Blain: 51:08

Oh. let's go. Oh yeah, we, we got the Italian music. Oh. dear Lord. Is this, is this in the cornfield? Is this cornfield guy?

Ken Lucci: 51:22

No,

James Blain: 51:23

Okay. Because'cause This is like this, this thing is bouncing up and down

Ken Lucci: 51:28

be real. It can't be real.

James Blain: 51:30

Oh no. It's real. stupid is what it is. Right? Like if you look at the age, these all look like college kids to me, right?

John Tyreman: 51:36

say, this has gotta be like homecoming or prom

James Blain: 51:38

Someone's dad owns a junkyard and this limo went on like one last ride before the crusher through the junkyard, and they're like, let's toss a folding table in there and eat some pasta.

Ken Lucci: 51:48

Is it a pain in the ass for you to play that again?

John Tyreman: 51:50

No,

James Blain: 51:51

Let's go.

Ken Lucci: 51:52

Well, no, James, the guy's wearing a,

James Blain: 51:55

Look. Look. Oh geez. The, the kid hit his head on the ceiling on that one. Look from the limo driver's point of

Ken Lucci: 52:02

The limo driver is wearing a suit. it's gotta be the

John Tyreman: 52:07

he is, wearing a suit.

James Blain: 52:08

yeah, these, yeah. But no, I mean, let's get real. Unless, unless this is like ghetto limos incorporated, nobody shows up with a, folding table in the back of the limo and some like. You know, stereotypical Italian music playing in a suit.

Ken Lucci: 52:21

and has a spaghetti dinner in the back

James Blain: 52:23

Yeah.

Ken Lucci: 52:24

a couple things in reality is that when you are in the back of, the stretch limousine, your job, your job as the driver is make sure that that environment is quiet and calm all the time. And that would be for mini bus or Lima bus, et cetera. Any, especially when there's a petition and you as the, the client, you really not looking at what's going on. So that Yeah, that's, that's pretty interesting.

James Blain: 52:55

and it's funny that you brought up the partition because all safety aside, one of the things that's really important, uh, regardless of what level of pastor trans face you're at, is discretion. Right. Whatever they're talking about in the back, whatever's going on in the back, that's not your business. Especially when you get into your VIPs, your famous actors, your, you know, ball players, your, all of what's happening in the back, other than from a safety standpoint, right? They should be able to sit back there and talk financials and read bank account numbers safe in the knowledge that you're not listening.

Ken Lucci: 53:30

which by the way brings up a point. you know, I have tons of pet peeves about Facebook, but it's chauffeur and company owners that are taking pictures with celebrities or taking pictures with the vehicle in front of a private jet with the tail number showing,

James Blain: 53:44

Yeah. So now I know his private jet or

Ken Lucci: 53:47

Right.

James Blain: 53:47

private jetty booked for that trip. Thanks, bud.

Ken Lucci: 53:50

we are in the discretion business. That's the key. That's one of the premise of, of our business. We are in the discretion business. Alright, go ahead.

John Tyreman: 54:01

Okay, this next video is on, Las Vegas Drift. Okay, so it's not Tokyo Drift. We're bringing it stateside. Here we go.

James Blain: 54:13

I, I gotta tell you the, the amount of control to now the question

John Tyreman: 54:17

He's going backwards. Look,

Ken Lucci: 54:19

he, this is stretch. It's a, it's a Lincoln stretch limousine.

James Blain: 54:24

he's being arrested now.

Ken Lucci: 54:26

Now he's being arrested. Okay. interesting that, that does look like a

James Blain: 54:31

Okay,

Ken Lucci: 54:32

it was stolen. Uh.

James Blain: 54:33

so, so, all right, so for the slide, let me, let me tell you a couple interesting things here. The longer the wheel base is on the vehicle, when you have a slide, often, especially if it's a rigid vehicle, you do have slightly more time to bring the slide back, which I think is the only reason he's got this slide here and then thank God He, brings it back. You'll see it,

John Tyreman: 54:57

He,

James Blain: 54:57

the other way

John Tyreman: 54:58

flips it into reverse right here in the intersection, and then he

James Blain: 55:03

Yeah.

John Tyreman: 55:03

into reverse and then goes backwards.

James Blain: 55:06

Yeah. So,

Ken Lucci: 55:07

if, if it was not for the finals shot of the cop arresting him, I would swear this is a movie.

James Blain: 55:14

yeah, it's, and that's what I was saying, like the, the amount of control that, like, whether that's luck or skill, we will never know, but,

Ken Lucci: 55:22

it is? I think it's the, somebody stole one of Well, it is either meth, but no, I think somebody stole one of the casino's stretch limousines.

James Blain: 55:31

Uh, yeah. Yeah. I don't recognize that particular one,

John Tyreman: 55:35

I am amazed that none of these cars got hit, that he was able to flip that limo around in between these two cars

James Blain: 55:42

that that's what I was saying earlier now and that's what I was mentioning earlier, like the longer vehicles, you know, when I was a kid and I drove my Mustang in the winter, one of the things you get really good at is driving out the passenger or the driver's side window.'cause once, once you get any kinda wet or patch the rear end steps out so far, so fast. You can see with this longer wheel base, he's got a little bit longer to respond. But even then, I mean, that is

Ken Lucci: 56:07

So, so what do you do as a chauffeur this idiot. If you feel like you're lo,

James Blain: 56:15

skidding or, or losing control.

Ken Lucci: 56:16

legitimately feel like you're losing control of the vehicle.

James Blain: 56:20

Okay, so if you're not a drift car racer, which nobody that's driving should be a couple things. So you want to avoid slamming on the brakes. A lot of people's main instinct is slamming on the brakes. This is especially important in the winter because if you have the wheels turned and you slam on the brakes, a lot of times you'll go from turning to the car, now wants to go straight, or the bus now wants to go straight because once those wheels stop turning, you lose the ability for those wheels to roll and for it to move forward. let's say I was trying to make a right hand turn at that corner and I had the wheels turn, I felt slid and I slammed on the brakes, I might actually not be able to turn as well as if I'd let off the brake a little bit and let the wheels turn in snow. Typically what you wanna do when you have a skid like John, um, go back a bit. To where like not when he is swinging it around, but where it looks like he might just be kind of stepping out a little bit on the rear end. So at that point, you typically are going to turn into it, Right, Because you want to try and go back and bring it back. So at this point. right. So at this point you can see he's across two lanes. I Don't wanna overcorrect. I'm not trying to get it sideways. I'm going to let, typically I'm gonna, if I'm on the gas, I'm gonna let off the gas. If I'm on the brake, I'm gonna avoid over applying the brake. Because what happens is when we slam on the brakes, just like on ice, if you're not straight, when you slam on the brakes, you're not gonna stop straight. you see that happen, especially in articulated vehicles like a semi-truck. The reason they tend to jackknife is that backend steps out and then it's pushing them forward. so you really wanna try and work on getting that straight out. And you look, if you see, he's able to straighten it back out, but he goes too far because at this point he's straightened it back out. and. as you can see, it's already whipped and shot back the other way. But you can tell this guy's, he's doing this intentionally'cause

Ken Lucci: 58:14

And he, I'm,

James Blain: 58:15

smoke And he, is on the

Ken Lucci: 58:16

yeah. And I'm telling you, if it wasn't for the fact that there's a scene about him being arrested, I wouldn't think this is a movie. a

James Blain: 58:23

I, it might still be a scene for the movie with the arrest, right? You know, I'm, I'm waiting for, you know, some like Zach

Ken Lucci: 58:30

I,

James Blain: 58:31

or something to get out and be like, Hey,

Ken Lucci: 58:33

I'm betting I'm bet. Or Yeah, nevermind. Oh, I'm betting that somebody stole a casino limousine here. Okay, let's go.

John Tyreman: 58:40

gentlemen, that is all that I have to share. Maybe we

Ken Lucci: 58:43

really fun.

James Blain: 58:45

I, I think we're gonna have to do one of these with, with buses and, and motor coaches. I feel like we had some now, now, I will say the only downside there is, you know, unfortunately on, on those larger vehicles, the potential for it to be so much worse is there. But I, I gotta tell you this, this. was a heck of a ride. John, we we're gonna have to bring you onto the show. Mor off, you might be our new favorite guest.

John Tyreman: 59:09

Well, I'm, I'm here for every episode, whether you see me or not.

James Blain: 59:13

So, and, and let me quantify that, everybody'cause,'cause because people might be thinking, the poor guy says, John is there. So typically when we're recording John is in like hidden producer mode. So he's gotta listen to all the outtakes, all the, everything he really does know where the bodies are buried.

John Tyreman: 59:27

I've learned a lot about the transportation industry

Ken Lucci: 59:30

Yeah. And he also has dropped, he's also kept track of how many F-bombs I've dropped and the, and the, and he's the one that has to try, try to bleep them out. You know, we're gonna do, on a coming episode, we're gonna do a behind the scenes of what it takes to put this podcast together. And it's not easy. It, I make the joke that it's a second full-time job. which it is. It is, it is a lot of work and it's a lot of expense, and we couldn't do it without John. so this, that episode about the vehicles and the crashes and the chaos was your idea. So

James Blain: 1:00:03

This was a good one.

Ken Lucci: 1:00:04

please continue to bring us those ideas. and as we end this, guys, if you can think of, uh, everybody out there in the studio audience, or in podcast world, if you can think of any subjects you want us to cover, please email us, email James, email me, and just let us know what you'd like us to cover if we didn't make these things somewhat fun. They'd be really tedious after a while, but I think we've given you some good advice on safety as we've watched this chaos. Um, now I'm curious to, to find out about that, Las Vegas limousine whose it was. Um, I'm betting. I'm betting. it was a stolen one from the one of the casinos, but there's been an an incredibly, uh, exciting episode. Last words, James.

James Blain: 1:00:52

I wanna take that a step further. If you have videos, right? We, we will blur out the logo. We, you know, God forbid it's bad. Um, but you, I, I have, I, I have kind of my, my hidden reels so to speak, of, of customer submitted ones. I have a couple people who wanna be texting later, Hey, can we use this? Do you mind? We'll blur it all out. But, um, you know,'cause it's something that in the industry, I know, especially when I go to client visits or I go to shows, guys, look, it, it's not always great. We're like, oh, you gotta see this one. Oh, you not gotta believe what this guy did. Um, I will tell you, um, and, and we'll, we'll reach out and see if we can use it. One of my favorite videos that I've seen is we got an email and it said, PAX really works. And it's, it's an SUV and they're driving on the highway and there's a semi-truck coming in the other lane, and the semi-truck goes up and over the median and he's coming right towards the SUV And you want to talk about nails it, the SUV. Jumps over, goes over a lane, starts slowing down, hits the off ramp, right? And then just calmly gets off the highway and keeps going on with her. And it was, it was this. This person was doing exactly what they're supposed to do. They're being proactive, they're reading the road ahead. They saw it coming. They knew the lane next to them was clear, right? They had the full picture of situational awareness and they were able to just slide that over and get it on the off ramp. And it just, it worked so well, and it's such a great video. We'll have to see if we can add that into our next one. But if you have videos like that, Yes, absolutely.

John Tyreman: 1:02:25

Send us to your dash cam videos and make sure that you like and subscribe to the show on YouTube, apple, or wherever you get your podcasts.

James Blain: 1:02:31

Absolutely. Thank you everybody for listening.

Ken Lucci: 1:02:35

Sounds good.

1:02:37

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